2012 - "The world as we know it will soon come to an end..."

Oh really? I do have proof. There was a period of heat hotter than today before cars and airplanes were even invented. Also, coastal erosion and hurricanes don't effect me because I'm too far from the coast. If a hurricane hits Florida, we would just get a soft gust of wind, 4 days later. And it is quite cold now.Any climate change you're expiriencing is 1. you'er near the Equator, or 2. it's just natural.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote: What would you rather loose? Your money, or your planet?

My planet, it sucks. Of course, life as we know it will end, but that's a good thing.

Kironi_68 wrote:Oh really? I do have proof. There was a period of heat hotter than today before cars and airplanes were even invented[/b]. Also, coastal erosion and hurricanes don't effect me because I'm too far from the coast. If a hurricane hits Florida, we would just get a soft gust of wind, 4 days later. And it is quite cold now.Any climate change you're expiriencing is 1. you'er near the Equator, or 2. it's just natural.

1) That's it? Thousands of years ago, yeah. Evidence overruled. Normally, natural climte change takes thousands or even millions of years, and I repeat, what's happening now is taking decades - alot faster. I asked you for evidence, you know.

2) That wont effect you. Eventually, other aspects of climate change will.

3) Have you even been listing?

Here where I live, it's summer. That, and we live in a semi-desert. For the first time in over fity years, we haven't had a single cloudless day! (That change took place in about two years - not hundreds of thousands.) Further south, we had a coastline covered in lush forrests. It used to be the wettest psrt of South Africa - today, they're experiencing the worse drought in recorded history - only 20% of the forrests are still there. Water has to be brought to them from our own water suply. The past two days, I was unable to get onto the internet because of interfearance caused by thunder storms. The banks of our river expanded by five meters on both sides, where it would normally be dried up this time of the year. In other coastal places such as Cape Town and Durban, 60% of the beaches have disappeared because of rising sea levels.

Florida is closer to the Equator than South Africa. I'm also not going to re-post all my evidence for why it's not natural because, apparently, you haven't been reading any of my posts.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Kironi_68 wrote:Oh really? I do have proof. There was a period of heat hotter than today before cars and airplanes were even invented[/b]. Also, coastal erosion and hurricanes don't effect me because I'm too far from the coast. If a hurricane hits Florida, we would just get a soft gust of wind, 4 days later. And it is quite cold now.Any climate change you're expiriencing is 1. you'er near the Equator, or 2. it's just natural.

1) That's it? Thousands of years ago, yeah. Evidence overruled. Normally, natural climte change takes thousands or even millions of years, and I repeat, what's happening now is taking decades - alot faster. I asked you for evidence, you know.

2) That wont effect you. Eventually, other aspects of climate change will.

3) Have you even been listing?

Here where I live, it's summer. That, and we live in a semi-desert. For the first time in over fity years, we haven't had a single cloudless day! (That change took place in about two years - not hundreds of thousands.) Further south, we had a coastline covered in lush forrests. It used to be the wettest psrt of South Africa - today, they're experiencing the worse drought in recorded history - only 20% of the forrests are still there. Water has to be brought to them from our own water suply. The past two days, I was unable to get onto the internet because of interfearance caused by thunder storms. The banks of our river expanded by five meters on both sides, where it would normally be dried up this time of the year. In other coastal places such as Cape Town and Durban, 60% of the beaches have disappeared because of rising sea levels.

Florida is closer to the Equator than South Africa. I'm also not going to re-post all my evidence for why it's not natural because, apparently, you haven't been reading any of my posts.

Oh, I've been listening, and it doesn't effect me because I don't live anywhere NEAR the Equator!!! And "thousands of years ago" is WRONG!!! more like only about 100. And the salespeople are taking advantage of this "crisis" you say by selling us expensive "energy efficient" lightbulbs!! If they really wanted us to help the planet, they would be free!

Kironi_68 wrote:

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Kironi_68 wrote:Oh really? I do have proof. There was a period of heat hotter than today before cars and airplanes were even invented[/b]. Also, coastal erosion and hurricanes don't effect me because I'm too far from the coast. If a hurricane hits Florida, we would just get a soft gust of wind, 4 days later. And it is quite cold now.Any climate change you're expiriencing is 1. you'er near the Equator, or 2. it's just natural.

1) That's it? Thousands of years ago, yeah. Evidence overruled. Normally, natural climte change takes thousands or even millions of years, and I repeat, what's happening now is taking decades - alot faster. I asked you for evidence, you know.

2) That wont effect you. Eventually, other aspects of climate change will.

3) Have you even been listing?

Here where I live, it's summer. That, and we live in a semi-desert. For the first time in over fity years, we haven't had a single cloudless day! (That change took place in about two years - not hundreds of thousands.) Further south, we had a coastline covered in lush forrests. It used to be the wettest psrt of South Africa - today, they're experiencing the worse drought in recorded history - only 20% of the forrests are still there. Water has to be brought to them from our own water suply. The past two days, I was unable to get onto the internet because of interfearance caused by thunder storms. The banks of our river expanded by five meters on both sides, where it would normally be dried up this time of the year. In other coastal places such as Cape Town and Durban, 60% of the beaches have disappeared because of rising sea levels.

Florida is closer to the Equator than South Africa. I'm also not going to re-post all my evidence for why it's not natural because, apparently, you haven't been reading any of my posts.

Oh, I've been listening, and it doesn't effect me because I don't live anywhere NEAR the Equator!!! And "thousands of years ago" is WRONG!!! more like only about 100. And the salespeople are taking advantage of this "crisis" you say by selling us expensive "energy efficient" lightbulbs!! If they really wanted us to help the planet, they would be free!

Oh! You're talking about Industrilisation! Well, actually, look here:

(Made in Paint) It was realy hot (not hotter - and coal-powerplants/cars/primitive planes/etc. allready existed by then ), but bacause they stopped using lead in feul, the atmosphere got to heal allitle, but since the idiots didn't learn from their mistakes, it heated up again.

Oh, and it doesn't matter where you live. That's whay they call it Global Warming (it should actually be called Global Climate Change, but, meh).

Finally, I've allready realised your point with the lightbulb thing (even though we get energy-saving lightbulbs and other enviromentally friendly products for free in South Africa). That's why I HATE salespeople! Anyway kind kind of "evidence" is that? You're fighting without a weapon, man! You've got no evidence to disprove Climate Change, while I have enough to prove it conclusively.


Anyway, regardless of weather or not salespeople are evil and would rather get money than save the planet, do you believe that we are, infact, facing an atmospheric crisis? If not, Spode help you...

Kironi_68 wrote:

Sorry, I'm not gonna waste my time on that.

Regardless, how do you explain the glacial melting? How do you explain the year by year shifting of the climate? How do you explain Huricane Katrina's abnormalities? How do you explain the fact that South Africa's forrests are becoming desert!? How do you explain how tropical plants are suddenly flurishing in Franse!!? How do you explain sea level rise!!!? How do you explain the sudden erosion of the Barrier Islands!!!!? You do you explain the fact the 20% of the Pacific Sand Islands have suddenly been washed away!!!!!? How do you explain the fact that Greenland A FREAKING PERMANET ICE-COVERED LANDMASS has lost 40% of it's ice in a matter of years!!!!!!? How do you explain the melting of a 1500-year old ice sheat the size of Texas within the period of a decade!!!!!!!? HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN ANY OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

I'm experiencing this personally, so don't you dare deny this. Give me one GOOD reason why you're being so ignorant.


If you still don't want to believe, go here. Hopefully you'll find some sence there.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Kironi_68 wrote:

Sorry, I'm not gonna waste my time on that.

Regardless, how do you explain the glacial melting? How do you explain the year by year shifting of the climate? How do you explain Huricane Katrina's abnormalities? How do you explain the fact that South Africa's forrests are becoming desert!? How do you explain how tropical plants are suddenly flurishing in Franse!!? How do you explain sea level rise!!!? How do you explain the sudden erosion of the Barrier Islands!!!!? You do you explain the fact the 20% of the Pacific Sand Islands have suddenly been washed away!!!!!? How do you explain the fact that Greenland A FREAKING PERMANET ICE-COVERED LANDMASS has lost 40% of it's ice in a matter of years!!!!!!? How do you explain the melting of a 1500-year old ice sheat the size of Texas within the period of a decade!!!!!!!? HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN ANY OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

I'm experiencing this personally, so don't you dare deny this. Give me one GOOD reason why you're being so ignorant.


If you still don't want to believe, go here. Hopefully you'll find some sence there.

How do I explain? 1. Techtonic plate shifts, 2. aliens heating our planet via heat rays.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Kironi_68 wrote:

Sorry, I'm not gonna waste my time on that.

Regardless, how do you explain the glacial melting? How do you explain the year by year shifting of the climate? How do you explain Huricane Katrina's abnormalities? How do you explain the fact that South Africa's forrests are becoming desert!? How do you explain how tropical plants are suddenly flurishing in Franse!!? How do you explain sea level rise!!!? How do you explain the sudden erosion of the Barrier Islands!!!!? You do you explain the fact the 20% of the Pacific Sand Islands have suddenly been washed away!!!!!? How do you explain the fact that Greenland A FREAKING PERMANET ICE-COVERED LANDMASS has lost 40% of it's ice in a matter of years!!!!!!? How do you explain the melting of a 1500-year old ice sheat the size of Texas within the period of a decade!!!!!!!? HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN ANY OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

I'm experiencing this personally, so don't you dare deny this. Give me one GOOD reason why you're being so ignorant. And if you want to get things through to people, do a grammer check.


If you still don't want to believe, go here. Hopefully you'll find some sence there.

Maybe you should do some grammer checks too.

Kironi_68 wrote:How do I explain? 1. Techtonic plate shifts, 2. aliens heating our planet via heat rays.

1) Has been accuring forever, basically, and very, VERY slowly. It doesn't account for anything Climate Change related. The only way it could is with volcanoes, but seeing as there'd have to be a volcanic eruption on almost every majour volco on the planet at least once a week, that can't be it either.

2)


Also, since you just admitted to Global Warming being real by actually giving explainations, I win!!




Ok, before that senceless argument, where were we again? Oh, yeah. I was bussy explaining how a Solar Storm ejected from the sun could destroy our ozone layer and much of our atmosphere leaving the surface of our planet fried!!

They show that pretty awesomely in the movie Knowing. It's the weirdest mixture of the Paranormal, Sci-Fi and Disaster genres I've ever seen! But it's still pretty awesome (some of the greatest special effects I've ever seen are in that movie).


Oh, and regarding by bad grammar/spelling/punctuation? I type realy fast without even looking at the keyboard or screen and then send before revising (I sould realy get into the habit of revicing my posts before I post them... )


So, truce? Please? I realy hate arguing with a friend.

Plate techtonics is why Antartica is an ice cap. And OK, you can win, Mr. Al Gore. My opinion has not changed.

Kironi_68 wrote:Plate techtonics is why Antartica is an ice cap. And OK, you can win, Mr. Al Gore. My opinion has not changed.

to me winning.

to you still remaining ignorant.



Anyway, I saw the movie (2012) today! The ending is awesome! Watch it!

It looks like this here.Some global warming huh?

And I'm not saying that it's ok for people to drive huge SUVs or waste gas, I don't even understand that as well, but it's not getting hotter, it's getting COLDER!!!!!!

Kironi_68 wrote:And I'm not saying that it's ok for people to drive huge SUVs or waste gas, I don't even understand that as well, but it's not getting hotter, it's getting COLDER!!!!!!

As I said earlier, it's the weather changing. That's why it should be called Climate Change. Not "Global Warming".


The thing is, because of so called "greenhouse gasses", heat from the sun is trapped in our atmosphere. Sure, this started warming up the planet, but as polar ice melted (and still does - at an alarming rate), it dumpes a gigantic amount of fresh water in the salt water oceans every day. This meens that the ocean chemistry is changing and, of caurse, weather relies heavily on ocean currents evaporation and other factors.

The thing is, freah water cools faster and easier than salt water (because of the salt) so sea water is colder than normal in some places when it evaporates into clouds, witch meens that the clouds will be colder, witch meens that whereever the clouds are blown to, the weather will be colder.

While the atmosphere is inded heating up, the weather pattern in some places are doing the exact oposite. Weird, huh?

To make things even worse, did you know that water vapour is a greenhouse gas? So the more greenhouse gasses are pumped into the atmosphere, the more solar heat is trapped, the hotter it gets, the more water evaporates, the more solar heat gets trapped, the hotter it gets (etc.) the more polar ice melts, the more fresh water is dumped into the oceans, the colder parts of the oceans become, the colder the water that evaporates from the oceans, the colder the weather in some places!!


Dun, dun, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnn... DUN!


Climate change is actually alot more complicated than that. Oh, and I just wandering. You've admitted that the climate is changing drastically, but what exactly don't you believe? Is it the fact that it's mainly caused by us?

The sea won't rise if the ice caps melt, the sea will get shallower!(ice has more mass than water, the entire north pole is ice, just floating in the sea. when water freezes, it gets 10% larger. using this information, it is clear that the sea would get smaller if you melt the ice. put an ice cube in water and mark the water level. wait for it to melt and then look at the origional level. it should be less.)

And yes I STRONGLY disbelieve in it being caused by us. like I said, It's not OK to give off too much carbon emmissions, because it is possible that this can effect mankind in the far future. right now, and in 2 years, the heat will most likely be the the same (or hotter, it's freezing!)

Mod-Kironi_68 wrote:The sea won't rise if the ice caps melt, the sea will get shallower!(ice has more mass than water, the entire north pole is ice, just floating in the sea. when water freezes, it gets 10% larger. using this information, it is clear that the sea would get smaller if you melt the ice. put an ice cube in water and mark the water level. wait for it to melt and then look at the origional level. it should be less.)

Have you been listning?


Ok, it doen't matter how much water is dumped into the oceans, it'll still rise! (Duh... ) So, basically, you're telling me that if I put alot of water into a ducket, the water level will rise, but if I put less water into the bucket, the water level will fall!?


Think before you speak.




Oh, and that experiment will not be reliable, since you're not taking into acount that by the time the ice had melted, some water would allready have evaporated. To counter the effects, I started the experiment with alot of ice before making the mark. The water level in the bucket rose by 5 centimenters. Are you listing? I don't know who told you the water level will fall, but they seriously need to use their common sence.

Also, only 30% of all ice is actually on the oceans. Antarctica is a landmass.

[quote="Mod-DudeMan95"]

Mod-Kironi_68 wrote:Ok, it doen't matter how much water is dumped into the oceans, it'll still rise! (Duh... ) So, basically, you're telling me that if I put alot of water into a ducket, the water level will rise, but if I put less water into the bucket, the water level will fall!?

No. I'm saying all this water is already in the ocean, as ice is water. So actually, there will be absolutely no more water in the ocean if the ice melts. And most of Antartica is ice.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:The water level in the bucket rose by 5 centimenters.

Centimeters? *DOES NOT COMPUTE*

[quote="Mod-Kironi_68"]

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Mod-Kironi_68 wrote:Ok, it doen't matter how much water is dumped into the oceans, it'll still rise! (Duh... ) So, basically, you're telling me that if I put alot of water into a ducket, the water level will rise, but if I put less water into the bucket, the water level will fall!?

No. I'm saying all this water is already in the ocean, as ice is water. So actually, there will be absolutely no more water in the ocean if the ice melts. And most of Antartica is ice.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:The water level in the bucket rose by 5 centimenters.

Centimeters? *DOES NOT COMPUTE*

Firstly, that is not true. The ice is floating on the water and is not actually part of it. Oh, and 95% of Antarctica's ice is on the continent itself... witch is land. Furthermore, you're failing to realise that 15% of the Earth's ice is not in the poles, but on mountains. As this ice melts, it floas down rivers into the oceans... causing it to rise.

All these things are obvious. Why do you need me to explain them?


Secondly, I mesured in a bucket... (Centimeter = 1/3 of an inch).

[quote="Mod-DudeMan95"]

Mod-Kironi_68 wrote:

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:

Mod-Kironi_68 wrote:Ok, it doen't matter how much water is dumped into the oceans, it'll still rise! (Duh... ) So, basically, you're telling me that if I put alot of water into a ducket, the water level will rise, but if I put less water into the bucket, the water level will fall!?

No. I'm saying all this water is already in the ocean, as ice is water. So actually, there will be absolutely no more water in the ocean if the ice melts. And most of Antartica is ice.

Mod-DudeMan95 wrote:The water level in the bucket rose by 5 centimenters.

Centimeters? *DOES NOT COMPUTE*

Firstly, that is not true. The ice is floating on the water and is not actually part of it. Oh, and 95% of Antarctica's ice is on the continent itself... witch is land. Furthermore, you're failing to realise that 15% of the Earth's ice is not in the poles, but on mountains. As this ice melts, it floas down rivers into the oceans... causing it to rise.

All these things are obvious. Why do you need me to explain them?


Secondly, I mesured in a bucket... (Centimeter = 1/3 of an inch).

One, maybe you should think before you speak. (TYPOS!!!) Second, you are failing to realize the all that water came from somewhere.The ocean was origionally all liquid and so is is actually going into its origional state. And we can adapt to higher water levels just fine.



Back to the solar storm thing, the Earth's magnetic fields protect us from this. Don't deny this, as this is a proven fact. If it didn't, we'd be long dead by now.

And i meant water in the world.